Allison Sandings
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"You can't eat your cake and have it, too." Ayn Rand
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Post by Allison Sandings on Apr 14, 2009 11:42:29 GMT -7
Is this jjust insane, dangerous, tactful, shameful, or great. Tell us why and debate away!
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Post by Sister Grimm on Apr 15, 2009 15:41:55 GMT -7
I don't think it's so terrible... I mean, it's not like he's going up to Osama Bin Latin and saying, "Hey, buddy, old pal. Wanna go get a Starbucks and plot America's downfall?" No, he's just being diplomatic in reaching out to a country that could otherwise potentially kill us. He's conversing with Iranians -- not terrorists.
And trust me, I'm not an Obama supporter. I'm 100% partial (I know that sounds odd) when it comes to politics.
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Allison Sandings
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"You can't eat your cake and have it, too." Ayn Rand
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Post by Allison Sandings on Apr 15, 2009 21:27:55 GMT -7
No, I am a independent myself. I supported McCain but now I regreet even trying to choose a side.
Anyways, what's wrong with this is that these are muslims you are making friends with. Iran is a country who hates the United States and is ultra-extreme in their religious convictions. So, you are trying to make friends with people who could be faking it and you believe people who could potentially turn on you and doesn't care at all. Is that what you believe is write? These people doesn't care for diplomacy, they want us all to be Muslims too!
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Post by Sister Grimm on Apr 16, 2009 15:01:44 GMT -7
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I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Muslim. The religion of orgin is actually quite peaceful, if you've every actually read the Qu'ran or at least some of it. Unlike FOX News will tell you, nowhere in that book does it tell them to kill other "nonbelievers" in the name of Allah. Absolutely nowhere.
Terrorists are (obviously) bad, but Muslims aren't. I mean, think about it -- would you really find it fair if somebody said you were evil, just because you didn't believe in the same G-d as them?
And the fact that Iran hates us... yeah, I think that's the reason Obama is kind of trying to reach out to them. You know, so that they won't hate us anymore... call me crazy, but I think that it would be a good idea to prevent a war between the US and Iran, but who knows, maybe we SHOULD give them more reason to hate us. (((sarcasm, if people fail to catch on)))
I'm sorry if I come off as a bit icy... one of my good friends is Muslim, and she's the sweetest girl I know. And I feel very strongly about generalizations pertaining to any religious/ethnic group... after all, if my Zaydee didn't get the hell out of Europe before Hitler invaded, I might not even be here right now. You see, Hitler didn't exactly like the Jews.... that would have been a slight problem for my family.
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Allison Sandings
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"You can't eat your cake and have it, too." Ayn Rand
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Post by Allison Sandings on Apr 21, 2009 18:03:44 GMT -7
I don’t have a problem with muslims in general, sorry, wrong idea there. I have a problem with Muslim extremists and loud mouths or saints. I can not stand protective conservatives who shelter women and especially the disabled, I think that’s disgusting. I also can’t stand the large numbers of muslims that approve of out right brute force. It says in the Qur’an that if the wife disobeys the husband he may beat her up. That’s one violent aspect that I do not Condone. Most Iranians are that. They are deep in the middle east, and they have carried this kind of tradition for generations. They are a bunch of loud muslims that are conservative and want the rest of the world to be so.
I am an atheist myself, and I dislike any religious saint or any kind of religious or philosophical follower who loudly proclaims there views willing or even to some in attempt to force others in to that philosophical belief. I know numerous Christians who does that kind of thing. They loudly talk about the Bible, holding it not only as their rule, that I wouldn’t mind, but as everyone’s rule as these Iranians, and fiercely looks around to see who would oppose them. No, those people I know doesn’t like violence. Most of them you would call them sweet too, but they proclaim it so forcefully and so much like the law of the land, that’s a shame.
I belong to a philosophical movement, I am really not that in to it. You would call me relatively on the edge of it. I am deep in to it conviction, but most people deep in are in to forcing it on others. I firmly hold my morals as mine, but I do not force or will others to take them to heart. Oh yes, I put them out there, but I let them choose. If they want it, they can except, and if not they can reject it. However, I know in this very movement these brutes, oh, some would call them sweet too, but they are so forceful about it, it’s really a shame to see. Yes I hold these values as mine, but I still do not see why people should be forced in to holding it. Especially, so many of these people who would post Oh, yes right now if they see this post, (no I am not hinting at anyone here) do it too much as well. They can’t help but to shoot people’s ideas down and force others not only to except their ideas but to believe and join there little movement, with no choice left to them.
Indeed Obama wants to mend things, but It’s not possible. As long as they continue to force everyone in to believing the Qur’an, the United States can not do it. Well, making friends with them is as good as declaring that we have officially turned socialist. And to link with them is literally submitting ourselves in to being a nation that muslims could influence. We who was founded on the enlightenment is straying too far from it. People say they want the American Dream? I am afraid it’s Stalins’s dream they want. If we keep traveling this way, the U.S. might just become the next Soviet Russia. Wait… weren’t we fighting Stalin, and communism? Are we now really to submit to that? Are we willing to give up our rights of freedom of religion for a Muslim religion? Are we willing to stoop that low and give up our liberty? Where is the Values of Locke, Jefferson, and Washington?
No, Iranians don’t deserve to live, we should have open fire for them. We should not have spared a live. This is a war, not a little game of killing certain people and protecting others. We should have gone full out. Who cares if people over there gets hurt? This is war. You either don’t fight them at all, in the first place, or fight them completely and win.
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Post by Sister Grimm on Apr 22, 2009 14:19:41 GMT -7
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How is being friendly to Iran making our country a socialist nation? I'm sorry... i don't mean to be rude, but I think you need to look up the definition of "socialism".
And whoa, slow down there. Just because we're not lashing out at Iran doesn't mean that we're going to give up our constitution and all become Muslims. We're friendly with Mexico... does that mean we're all Catholic? I certainly am not, and neither are you.
And saying that Iranians don't deserve to live? I'm sorry, but that's a really cold hearted and somewhat racist statement to make. Believe it or not, NOT ALL IRANIANS ARE EVIL. Just because we're in a war does NOT give us the right to march into Iran and shoot down any innocent civilians that get in our way. Our troops are freedom fighters -- not murderers.
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Post by Clyde on Apr 23, 2009 9:49:40 GMT -7
That bit: "Iranians don't deserve to live" was a bit harsh there are good iranians out there  |
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Post by Sister Grimm on Apr 23, 2009 14:53:23 GMT -7
That bit: "Iranians don't deserve to live" was a bit harsh there are good iranians out there Exactly. ((sorry, I'm a bit sensitive on broad generalizations surrounding ethnic groups... once this kid told me that Israelites don't deserve to live... hey, he talked bad about the country of my ancestors, so he was kind of asking for the black eye I gave him afterwards.)) |
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Post by Clyde on May 1, 2009 11:57:21 GMT -7
Lol he deserved it  |
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Post by Sister Grimm on May 1, 2009 14:45:20 GMT -7
Well, thank you.
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